Dealing with wine companies – the BWU$20 Wall of Shame

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It’s like the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes: you look into their eyes, and you realise it’s too late

Most of the smaller wineries out there are pretty easy to deal with. You call them up, speak to a friendly and sensible person, and a box of samples arrives a few days later. Some wineries have baulked at our name, saying they’d prefer not to be associated with a wine site that focuses on the lowest price. That leads to interesting conversations, like: ‘I’ll go and buy some samples and write about your wines anyway, and I’ll point to the source with the lowest price.’ Some of them still haven’t worked out that there’s nowhere to hide on the internet highway.

shameRight from our humble beginnings almost 2 years ago, I took a different approach from other wine review sites. We didn’t ask every wine company and distributor for samples, but only the ones who made wines that fit our quality/value criteria. It’s given us some fascinating insights into the way some of these outfits operate. Revenge is a dish best enjoyed cold, according to the Godfather, so here are our top trophies:

  1. Trophy for the most obtuse wine company: Robert Oatley

OatleyIt took Darren Jahn ages to respond to my phone messages and emails. When he finally did, he wrote that our website said we bought our own samples, so what did we want from him? I pointed out that we buy some samples and receive many others from selected wine companies. Could he please help with a few samples? He wrote me another obtuse email, again after much time had passed, so I asked him again, pretty directly: yes or no? He emailed back and said he’d send us some samples.

None have turned up to this day. I emailed Darren a few weeks later and asked what happened, and got no answer. I emailed him again but still no answer. I rang the company and asked if he had left. No he hadn’t, would I like to speak to him? Another message bank, another message that was never returned. I crossed Robert Oatley off my list. I don’t need to beg or grovel for samples, and there are lots of other wineries out there.

  1. Trophy for the most opaque wine company: Treasury Wine Estates

Penfolds_WB_RMT_Wynns_650x332I called head office in Melbourne and asked the lady at reception whom I should speak to about wine samples. She pointed me to a page on the TWE website and said I should record my request there, and the relevant people would get back to me. I did that and got an automated message that said: someone will be in touch with you real soon. I got the same automated message the next day, but no one ever got in touch. I mentioned the experience to a friend in the trade and asked him if he had a contact at TWE. He just burst out laughing, and he didn’t stop laughing for some time. I got the message.

  1. Trophy for the meanest wine company out there: McWilliams

mcwilliams-logoMy initial requests for samples produced a box of wines under $10 from the Hanwood range and the  Evans & Tate Classics. Now McWilliams makes a whole lot of wines in our $5 – $25 price range, from Catching Thieves and the Evans & Tate Metricup range to Partisan wines and Mount Pleasant wines and Yarra Valley wines and more, so I asked young Danni to send me a few more samples.

Of late, she has complied with my request, one bottle at a time, so I wrote her  and the sales manager a note along these lines: I think I’m being generous with plenty of plugs for you guys on my website and in my weekly mailer, but you’re being pretty mean with samples … you make a lot of good wines between $10 and $25 street price, and I’d like to review more of them. What am I doing wrong? Is it something I said or wrote?

The answer was another single sample bottle and an email that ignored my question entirely. Clearly McWilliams set tight budgets for samples.

  1. Trophy for the most recalcitrant wine merchant: Bert Werden at Winestar

Winestar BWI asked Bert to send us a few samples – of wines we couldn’t find anywhere else – since we give him a lot of links in our Mailer and Best Lists. He said No, even when I offered to buy samples at cost, as we do with a few smaller merchants. And he said No when I asked him to waive the unbroken dozen condition on some of his cheaper wines (so I could buy single bottle samples).

I asked him why he showed less flexibility than a government department, and he wrote back: ‘I was explaining why we are unable to waive the minimum purchase policy we have for low priced wines and in addition sell these to you at cost – let me know if I have misunderstood? I totally understand you have an arrangement with other merchants and it may preclude us from being mentioned on your site.’

As Rex Mossop would’ve said, I was flabberghasted. I never suggested that I’d stop giving Winestar plugs on BWU$20 if he didn’t do me favours. We don’t work that way, but I’m happy to give him this well-earned prize.

  1. Trophy for the most ungrateful wine merchant out there: GLUG (David Farmer)

David farmerIf you’ve got lots of miles on the clock as I do, you’ll remember Farmer Bros, the first national wine retail operation run by David and brother Richard out of Canberra. The dream run ended in the mid-nineties, and a few years later David popped up in the Barossa buying/blending and selling wine under his own labels. I’ve supported Farmer’s little GLUG operation, I’ve promoted his wines after buying some samples, I’ve shared coffee with him in the Barossa, I’ve sent him feedback from subscribers who rave about his wines, and I’ve asked him for some samples. I copied his staff and sent the email twice, but got no response from any of them. None. Zip. Zilch.

  1. Trophy for the most unresponsive winery in Australia: Mountadam

mountadam chardyYes, I know. I keep raving about their wines, the Chardonnay most of all. I work harder for them than their PR agency. I’ve asked them for samples by email, I’ve left phone messages for them, but never heard a single peep out of them, digital or analogue. Mountadam is a mount that does not give up its secrets.

We pride ourselves on our independence at BWU$20. We have no affiliates and take no kickbacks, and it works the other way too: I’ll continue to recommend good value wines wherever they come from. Much better to hand out trophies than to hold a grudge.

Kim

  • AN

    I was able to ignore the pleas for money to join the ‘amazing network’ that is BestWinesUnder20 and stuck through the repeated tiresome posts on the blog and difficult to navigate website. Then there’s this – really? You’re meant to be promoting the product we all love that is wine, not throwing tantrums and defaming individuals/companies because you don’t get what you want. Absolutely disgusting. DELETE – thanks for nothing.

    • Damo

      Oh cry us a river AN! This
      isn’t meant to ‘promote’ the wine product as far as I’m aware – it’s to find
      wine bargains for consumers – something I’m pretty happy with and quite happy
      to pay for. I find it very, very strange that you think this website is a ‘promotional’
      tool for wine. The fact that many companies don’t send bottles for independent
      reviews, but only make available their wares to certain reviewers who appear to
      consistently rate wines with very high scores is quite relevant to blog about
      for mind. This website is not alone. Every independent review website that I
      subscribe to always discusses the exact same issue.

      A lot of consumers
      just don’t have the time or money to invest in wine education and rely on sites
      such as this to guide them in their purchases. Instead of throwing your rattle
      out of the pram, you should appreciate that the wine consumer is being sorely misled
      in many instances about quality/price ratios via distributors/wineries.
      Perfectly understandable from their point of view, they want to flog the
      product to the consumer and don’t really want any competing contradictory
      information that might compromise sales. I don’t see anything wrong about
      publicly naming the companies that a site such as this has difficulty dealing
      with. As a consumer, I take that info on board. It doesn’t necessarily mean I
      won’t still get the odd case off Glug or purchase Mountadam Chardonnay.

      As stated, possibly
      the most reputable independent wine review website in Australia (The Wine
      Front) regularly discusses the above issues as well. Since they’ve been around
      for longer, the reviewers openly joke about which wineries no longer send them
      bottles for review after a poor rating. As a consumer, it doesn’t concern me if
      I never hear too much of their wines. I’m also happy to purchase wines that
      don’t necessarily get high scores, or are borderline purchases price-wise if
      they have some interest (I’ve become a big fan of field blends and skin
      contact/orange wines).

      Perhaps it would be
      better to be deleted and take your 1st world problems elsewhere, if you are
      even a consumer that is…

    • AN

      Your comment: “I find it very, very strange that you think this website is a ‘promotional’ tool for wine.”
      Umm…its a website suggesting wines to buy – how is it not a promotional tool for wine? Is it promoting the sale of wine, and specific wines at that? I think so. You kind of lost me from there…

      Totally agree that uneducated wine consumers are taken for a complete ride, and there’s some serious room improvement in the industry that is wine critique. I quite happily followed this website for quite a while hoping for somthing different. Sadly blog posts like this don’t elevate this website above the issues within the industry – it puts it right in the middle of it.

    • Damo

      Okay, I see where you are coming from there. I say “consumer guide”, you say “promotional tool”. Fair enough.

      Pretty simple website from where I sit – recommendations/reviews and news/blog focusing on sub-$20 wine. I don’t know a single website that reviews wine that does not to some degree discuss issues relating to the wine industry. Engaged wine consumers don’t seem to mind from what I can tell and seem to enjoy this aspect.

      So your issue appears to be with this particular blog post. Fair enough. I don’t agree with some blog posts or opinions either. It’s part of being an engaged wine consumer I would think. I don’t see why you want to do your nah nah over it and bagging the entire website to the point you want your subscription deleted.

      As far as ‘revenge’ blog posts. Personally, I may not have used that turn of phrase, but then I can’t say I have a problem with some corporates and businesses being publicly called out for trying to ‘take uneducated wine consumers for a complete ride.’ There’s too many cozy relationships in the wine critique section of the industry and I have no issues being open about it. You seem to be tying yourself in knots there trying to justify not being open about it.

  • sservds

    Childish and rude.

  • WL

    Bloody brilliant, Kim!

  • Bacchus

    For what it’s worth I found Winestar to be one of them most unpleasant and abrasive companies i’ve ever dealt with, their T&C were less than clear in regard to return of wine and I ended up having to live with a case of red that I really didn’t want to drink…

    • Kim Brebach

      Sorry for the slow response, thanks for your input